Intel Foundry Financials Revealed

Yesterday Intel broke out the financials for their fab operations as they begin formally reporting thes segment as a stand alone entity. We made some guesses about their numbers back in February, and for pure speculation we did pretty well, Intel not so much. We forecast the unit would lose $5 billion next year, and it turns out they are losing $5 billion this year, and probably a similar amount next year.

If anything, we were too easy on the company. We thought their revenues would be higher, $29 billion modeled for 2023 versus actuals of $23 billion. It looks like their revenue curve is about a year ahead of our model. The positive spin on that is they are a year closer to turning things around. The negative spin is that the company is even more reliant on TSMC than we had thought, a trend which does not peak until 2025.

Our biggest miss was gross margins. Intel Foundry Group (IFG) had negative gross margins in the past two years. In our estimate, we had called out gross margins as the biggest swing factor in the model as the accounting for that is highly subject to decisions the company would make. The company is loading up costs on IFG, which makes sense from a communications stand point, kitchen sink the bad news now, make it look as bad as possible, so that every future improvement is that much easier.

The drawback of this approach is that it means the product side of the company now has a huge burden on it. Remember, Intel as a company is still profitable. If IFG is losing money then it has effectively been subsidizing the product side. We know this from experience, Intel’s product team could always rely on the fabs to rush orders and provide short-notice hot lots and other special services for customers. If IFG is ever going to turn around its financials (which maybe it doesn’t have to do), then the product side’s sales teams can no longer rely on all that help. Can they still sell without it? This is going to be a painful transition in culture for that organization. The way in which this gets resolved will tell us a lot about how serious Intel is about IFG. If we do not start to see the product side come under margin pressure in coming years, it implies the company has not broken past habits.

One item which caught our eye, was the company making it very explicit that they want to move all production back to internal capacity as soon as possible. This makes sense in a business like running fabs where utilization and scale dominate economics. But maybe they should not be quite so vocal about it. Intel is still heavily reliant on TSMC, and has now effectively moved itself down TSMC’s Customer Priority List.

Another concern we have are the assumptions on how the company plans to build up IFG’s margins.Their 2030 (!!!) target is 25%-30% operating margins, which is reasonable enough, albeit still 10+% points lower than TSMC. The build rests on four pillars – “Transistor Leadership”, Internal Mix/Scale, Cost Efficiency, and OpEx Leverage. The last one, Leverage, is straightforward, that is the whole basis of running a fab, fill them up to make them profitable. Internal Mix also makes sense, Intel is moving away from its past practice of abandoning old manufacturing processes, and will continue to operate old, fully depreciated fabs. But the last two seem much more challenging and over half of the forecast improvements come from these. Transistor leadership is going to be a hard fought battle, and there is an inherent tension between the cost of advancing that leadership, with big upfront R&D required. This leaves efficiency which as we noted above involves eradicating bad habits.

The Street did not like Intel’s numbers, with the stock down around 10% this week. We assume many investors had already built models similar to ours and so their disappointment stems largely from the very long time frame for IFG to reach breakeven, which seems to be somewhere towards the end of the decade. And that really is the heart of the problem. The timeframes involved for this improvement are so long that there is little reason to own the stock. A lot can still go wrong – delays to some of this seem likely given the complexities involved, and in the interim Intel’s results will depend largely on the product side of the company, where conditions are not easy. To be fair, Intel is moving in the right direction, but by the time it starts to hit these targets, most of the people who would buy Intel stock today will have moved on in their careers.

2 responses to “Intel Foundry Financials Revealed”

  1. William Avatar
    William

    What would you like to start seeing to become incrementally less cautious?

    1. D/D Advisors Avatar

      I think the stock is range bound for a few years. You can play it tactically, maybe they regain some data center share or PC numbers tick up, but the longer-term outlook is an unknown for a while.
      FWIW, they probably set up IFS pretty well, those are some pretty ugly numbers, it can only go up from here. (?).
      Long term, the only way IFS works is if they can attract real outside customers. We should start to see hints of that soon – maybe an announcement or two this year.

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